and we have very limited debt ceilings. i cannot print money, i cannot borrow. imposed 5% debt limit in virginia. think that is very fiscally prudent. but in 30 years both parties have increased the debt, except for president clinton. he is the only one that had a debt reduction and i really think that that helps. but the point is, we have over- spent and over-borrowed essentially for three decades. if we do not have the significant rethinking of how we deliver government services and what does priorities are, this will get worse. >> do you think the people in the country are going to accept that? this kind of reform of social security and medicare? >> if you explain what the options are, which is the masses spiraling and increase of debt of $1 trillion, it is unacceptable to continue to level that on to your kids and grandkids for a number of generations. look, americans in times of trouble have always been willing to sacrifice. that is what my mother and father taught me. they are part of that great generation. sacrifice is inherent in the american psyche, but